1938 Cadillac Series 90 Presidential Convertible Parade Limousine / 5270075 Chassis Information

1938 Cadillac Series 90
Presidential Convertible Parade Limousine
Coachwork: Fleetwood
Chassis #: 5270075
High bid of $185,000 at 2010 RM Auctions - Automobiles of Amelia Island. (did not sell)
Sold for $269,500 at 2012 RM-Automobiles of Arizona.
The first six years of Franklin D. Roosevelt's presidential administration was focused on his New Deal recovery programs following the Great Depression. Halfway through his second of four presidential terms, his focus shifted to the increasing turmoil in continental Europe.

It was during this two difficult times in history (the Great Depression and World War II), that Cadillac and its coachworks Fleetwood were tasked with special order 9006 - two virtually identical 16-cylinder open limousines to be constructed on a 165-inch wheelbase platform. The vehicles were 11-inches longer than a standard V-16 Cadillac. Powering the cars were Cadillac's 135-degree, L-head V16 engine offering 135 horsepower from 431 cubic-inches. Each bank had its own distributor, carburetor and manifolds. The engine was six inches shorter, 13 inches lower and 250 pounds lighter than its overhead valve predecessor and had significantly fewer parts. It had a smaller displacement but still produced the same power.

Both of the special order 9006 cars were used by the White House. The two examples were chassis number 5270064 and 5270075 (this cars). The cars reportedly were built with armor-plating, helping the car tip the scales at 8,000 lbs. They were given special running boards, grab handles, communication equipment, special compartments for firearm storage, sirens and lights.

The cars were leased by Cadillac to the United States government and both were used through 1956 as part of the White House fleet to carry Secret Service agents or directly chauffeur the President. One was nicknamed the 'Queen Mary' (this car, chassis 5720075) and the other 'Queen Elizabeth,' a reference to the large cruise ships of the same name.

After FDR's death, the two cars were enlisted for use by the Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower administration. In 1950, Truman took delivery of two Lincoln 'Bubbletop' limousines, but both Cadillacs remained in the official fleet. Unlike in modern times, the cars were not flown to their destinations, but were driven across the country to meet the President as he arrived by airplane.

During the time the Cadillacs were in service for the president, they were often updated and rebuilt by Cadillac as necessary. Both cars had their bodies removed from the chassis, and every component were examined, including the running gear. After World War II, the V-16 engines were replaced with L-head V8s, which in turn were replaced by 331 cubic-inch OHV V8s in 1952. Currently, both cars still retain their OHV V8s that were installed in the early 1950s.

After the presidential duties were served, the 'Queen Mary' was purchased directly from Cadillac by Mr. Jack Tallman, a third-generation Cadillac dealer from Decatur, Illinois. Prior to the purchase, the car was used through the re-election in November 1956 of President Eisenhower.

The Tallman family has owned the car for over four decades, during which time they have added around 30,000 to 40,000 miles to the odometer.

In May of 1999, Mr. Tallman sold the car at auction to Mr. Al Wiseman. In 2002 it was shown at the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance, where it received an award for the best original and unrestored automobile. Years later, the car joined the John O'Quinn collection.

The car has replica pistols and rifles, as well as two telephones, gun holsters, fender-mounted red siren, step plates, and grab-handles. The 331 CID engine offers 210 horsepower and is mated to a three-speed manual transmission. There is a coil spring independent front suspension and four-wheel hydraulic drum brakes.

In 2012, the car was offered for sale at RM Auction's Scottsdale, Arizona auction. It was estimated to sell for $300,000 - $400,000. As bidding came to a close, the car had been sold for the sum of $269,500 inclusive of buyer's premium.


By Daniel Vaughan | Feb 2012


2012 RM-Automobiles of Arizona

Pre-Auction Estimates :
$300,000-$400,000 
Sale Price :
$269,500

2010 RM Auctions - Automobiles of Amelia Island

Pre-Auction Estimates :
$400,000-$600,000 
High Bid (Lot was not sold)
$185,000

2019 2
2018 5
2017 5
2016 1
2015 3
2014 1
2013 1
2012 6
2011 2
2010 4

YearAvg. SaleHigh Sale# of Sales
2019$48,160$54,8802
2018$139,550$200,0005
2017$70,780$121,0005
2016$325,000$325,0001
2015$128,150$291,5003
2014$52,800$52,8001
2013$79,200$79,2001
2012$183,158$440,0006
2011$189,356$191,7112
2010$89,650$165,0004

Recent Sales

(Data based on Model Year 1938 sales)
1938 Cadillac Series 38-90 7-Passenger Imperial Limousine
Sold for $54,880
  2019 Bonhams : Tupelo Auction
 
1938 Cadillac Series 90 5-Passenger Sedan
Chassis#: 5270127
Sold for $41,440
  2019 Bonhams : Amelia Island
1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  
1938 Cadillac V-16 Convertible Coupe Conversion
Chassis#: 5270136
Sold for $189,750
  2018 RM Sothebys : Hershey
 
1938 Cadillac V-16 Convertible Sedan by Fleetwood
Chassis#: 5270060
Sold for $176,000
  2018 RM Sothebys : Hershey
 
1938 Cadillac V-16 Convertible Coupe by Fleetwood
Sold for $200,000
  2018 RM Auctions : Auburn Fall
1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  
1938 CADILLAC V16 SERIES 90
Chassis#: 5270127
Sold for $60,500
  2018 Barrett-Jackson : Northeast
1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  
1938 Cadillac V-16 Town Sedan
Chassis#: 5270283
Sold for $71,500
  2018 Worldwide Auctioneers : Scottsdale
1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  
1938 CADILLAC V-16 CONVERTIBLE SEDAN
Chassis#: 5270060
Sold for $70,400
  2017 Dragone Lime Rock Park
 
1938 Cadillac 38-90 V-16 Imperial Sedan Coachwork by Fleetwood
Chassis#: 5270245
Sold for $82,500
  2017 Bonhams : Quail Lodge
1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  
1938 CADILLAC V-16
Sold for $48,000
  2017 Leake Auction - Dallas
 
1938 Cadillac Series 90 Fleetwood Convertible
Sold for $32,000
  2017 Mecum : Houston
 
1938 CADILLAC SERIES 90 V16 CONVERTIBLE
Chassis#: 5270045
Sold for $121,000
  2017 Barrett-Jackson : Scottsdale
 
1938 Cadillac V-16 Convertible Coupe by Fleetwood
Sold for $325,000
  2016 RM Sothebys : Arizona
1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  
1938 Cadillac V-16 Convertible Coupe
Chassis#: 5270060
Sold for $291,500
  2015 Dragone Auction - Fall
 
1938 Cadillac V-16 Series 90 Fleetwood Limousine
Chassis#: 5270227
Sold for $46,750
  2015 Motostalgia Auction - Indianapolis Brickyard
 
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Fleetwood Seven-Passenger Touring Sedan
Sold for $46,200
  2015 Auctions America - Auburn Spring
 
1938 CADILLAC V16 SEDAN
Chassis#: 5270127
Sold for $52,800
  2014 Barrett-Jackson's 43RD Annual Scottsdale Auction
1938 Cadillac Series 90 image  
1938 CADILLAC 7 PASSENGER LIMOUSINE
Chassis#: 5270162
Sold for $79,200
  2013 Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
 
1938 Cadillac V16
Sold for $48,950
  2012 Auctions America - Auburn Fall
 
1938 Cadillac V16 Convertible Coupe
Sold for $210,000
  2012 Mecum's 25th Original Spring Classic - Indianapolis
 

Vehicles That Failed To Sell

1938 Cadillac Series 90's that have appeared at auction but did not sell.
VehicleChassisEventHigh BidEst. LowEst. High
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-1652702892018 Mecum : Los Angeles$200,000  
1938 CADILLAC V-16 CONVERTIBLE SEDAN52702042017 Dragone Lime Rock Park $85,000$10,000
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Convertible Coupe52702892017 Bonhams : Quail Lodge $275,000$325,000
1938 Cadillac V16 Series 38-90 Convertible Coupe (LHD) 2017 Shannons Sydney Autumn Classic   
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Convertible 2017 Mecum : Indianapolis$260,000  
1938 Cadillac V16 Series 38-90 Convertible Coupe (LHD) 2017 Shannons Melbourne Autumn Classic   
1938 Cadillac V-16 Convertible Coupe by Fleetwood 2017 RM Auctions : Amelia Island $325,000$375,000
1938 Cadillac V16 Convertible 2015 Hollywood Motors : Amelia Island Select   
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Limousine52702582014 The 7th Annual Auburn Auction $70,000$90,000
1938 Cadillac Series 9 2014 Mecum Kissimmee$40,000  
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Sedan 2013 Auctions America Auburn Fall$43,000  
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Seven-Passenger Sedan 2013 Auctions America Auburn Fall$50,000  
1938 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood Restomod Sedan 2013 Auctions America Auburn Fall$22,500  
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Fleetwood Formal Sedan 2013 Auctions America Auburn Fall$41,000  
1938 Cadillac Series 38-90 9019 5-Passenger Sedan 2013 Leake Car Auctions Tulsa Ok$49,000  
1938 Cadillac V-16 Convertible Coupe 2013 Auctions America Auburn Spring$275,000  
1938 Cadillac Series 90 V-16 Fleetwood 7-Passenger Sedan 2013 Auctions America Ft Lauderdale$50,000  
1938 Cadillac V-16 Sedan 2012 Auctions America Auburn Fall$50,000  
1938 Cadillac V16 Presidential Convertible Parade Limousine52700752010 RM Auctions Automobiles of Amelia Island$185,000$400,000$600,000

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Vehicle Profiles

Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Convertible Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Engine Num: 5270250
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Convertible Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Convertible Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Fleetwood Fastback Limousine
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Formal Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Presidential Convertible Parade Limousine
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270075
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Imperial Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270103
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270127
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270181
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 7-Passenger Imperial Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270245
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Convertible Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270276
Engine Num: 5270276
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Imperial Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270283
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Convertible Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270289
Engine Num: 5270289
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901938 Town Car
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5270310
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901939 Convertible Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901939 Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901939 Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5290045
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901939 Convertible Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5290067
Engine Num: 5290067
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901939 Convertible Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5290093
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 901939 Convertible Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5290710
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 90 Sixteen1940 Derham Town Car
Coachbuilder: Derham
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 90 Sixteen1940 Convertible Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 90 Sixteen1940 Convertible Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 90 Sixteen1940 Convertible Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 90 Sixteen1940 Convertible Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 90 Sixteen1940 Formal Sedan
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5320019
Chassis information for the Cadillac Series 90 Sixteen1940 Coupe
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Chassis Num: 5320042
Engine Num: 5320042

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